As i have recently posted up. Citroen Czero lease has expired, and as so, it’s been inspected and now collected.
But not before “someone” Manheim Collection Services / Citroen attempted to levy inspection and collection charges (ironically listed in DAMAGES section in my inspection report)
I was not certain whether to laugh or cry as this surely is a accidental mistake. Collection/Inspection fees are to no benefit to the customer. not mentioned once anywhere. i checked.
So, like any average person who does not feel like parting with hard earned money just-because-they-said-so, i disagreed with the charges. These notes were clearly made in the final report.
Late last week, however, I received a letter from Citroen, ignoring any of my comments/amends/disagreements prior, and bluntly requesting the full figure, including inspection/collection fees, which alone rounds up to just over £300! » Read the rest of this entry «
I have already come across blogs and historic articles on “have-a-go” attempts of charging car by Sun, in sunny-rested places like California.
Indeed my interest here, living in London, UK, is not actually to establish the validity of those attempts by establish long-standing interest.
I commute daily, each way, ~10-12 miles depending on traffic and thus route i can take.
I also drive an electric only Citroen Czero model. Small, cuddly 4 seater weighting about a tonne.
On typical hourly charge cycle from 3.5Kwh home plug (13A, 240V) it would deliver some 11-13miles of charge – about what i need.
So, back to my experiment;
Considering my car, like most of your cars, is stationery throughout the day, is it possible to charge the car from Solar panels, installed ON the car, to warrant a safe comfortable ride back, via the same aforementioned 12 odd miles.
Now now, its ambitious, and I’m aware of seasons, but kid me on this, we get some anticipated 6 months of daylight.
I have also come across some “semi-flexi” solar panels, 135W outputting (ideals), weighting 2.6KG. contrary to typical argument such as it would be too costly (power spent) due to weight of such installation, vs any solar charge such panels generated.
Here are my musings:
||Watts x Hrs
|You will need :
||292Ah of Battery Power
|Solar Panel(s) :
||86Watt (assuming 4 hrs sunlight)
Am i being reasonable? do tell me – comment to @evMeerkat on twitter.
Updates: Comments to my musings:
@GettinTwitta3h @evmeerkat you are out by a factor of 10. You will need 860W for 4 hours!
How to Choose a Solar Panel (from http://www.wavemaker.co.uk/)
You will need to make sure that you have enough battery power as well as solar power, You may need multiple batteries (enough to cover the Amps per hour draw (Ah)) and multiple panels (a 160watt solar panel is the same as 2x 80watt solar panels)
If you are planning a big system I would suggest sepaking to an expert for your particular situation, remember this is a guide, different panels have different performance, and batteries are different as well!
For those of you interested this is how we worked it out!
1. How Much Power can you store?
Battery capacity is measured in Amp Hours (eg 17AH). You need to convert this to Watt Hours by multiplying the AH figure by the battery voltage (eg 12V).
For a 17AH, 12V battery the Watt Hours figure is 17 x 12 = 204WH
This means the battery could supply 204W for 1 hour, or 102W for 2 hours i.e. the more energy you take, the faster the battery discharges.
2. How much energy will your appliance(s) use over a period of time?
The power consumption of appliances is given in Watts (eg 21″ fluorescent light, 13W). To calculate the energy you will use over time, just multiply the power consumption by the hours of use.
The 13W light fitting, on for 2 hours, will take 13 x 2 = 26WH from the battery.
Repeat this for all the appliances you wish to use, then add the results to establish total consumption.
3. How much energy can a Solar panel generate over a period of time?
The power generation rating of a Solar panel is also given in Watts (eg 10W). To calculate the energy it can supply to the battery, multiply Watts by the hours exposed to sunshine, then multiply the result by 0.85 (this factor allows for natural system losses).
For the Solar 10W panel in 4 hours* of sunshine, 10 x 4 x 0.85 = 34WH. This is the amount of energy the Solar panel can supply to the battery.
Thus, to assume that something like:
|Electrical Characteristics (+/-5%)*
|Rated Power Output:
|Optimum Operating Voltage [Vmp]:
|Optimum Operating Current [Imp]:
|Open Circuit Voltage [Voc]:
|Short Circuit Current [Isc]:
|| Monocrystalline Silicon
|Number of Cells:
|| 44 high-efficiency Sunpower cells in series
|| 36″ MC cable
|| 56½” x 21¼” x 1/16″ (1435 x 540 x 3 mm)
|| 5 lb 12 oz. (2.61 kg)
may* make wish come true, but As advised, multiply by factor of 10. to make it charge me for 12 miles.
Either that of we have to double th amount of time in the sun. From 4, to 8 hours. Now factor reduces to half, i.e. 5.
Next, It appears that we have to make use of ALL surface area on the car. e.g. Solar Panel of choice above x 5 items.
We are talking 12KG weight gain (beside the extra cables, and fittings) I doubt this is significant as earlier pessimistic correction that overall energy is too limited vs the weight of the panels you have to carry.
Lets talk Dimensions
||144.8 in | 3678 mm.
||62.4 in | 1585 mm.
||63.6 in | 1615 mm.
||100.4 in | 2550 mm.
||55.9 in | 1420 mm.
||54.3 in | 1379 mm.
imiev, czero, ion model
Either the spec above or i really need to bring my tape measure and actually establish how much surface area do i have to work with…
More updates on this soon…
I seriously need to get into electrical principles, and do a course on this subject.